PMT 005: Guru Maharaj Ji (aka Prem Rawat) Embassy Hall, Los Angeles, 17th June 1973
(the night after Guru Maharaj Ji returned to the United States)
The young guru was still speaking with a marked Indian accent and was quite restrained in his speech that night. He often got a little philosophical and one his regular refrains was the importance of the impermanence of everything, that everything was an illusion because nothing was permanent. He claimed that his Knowledge was the only thing that was always there. An edited version of this speech was published in the And It Is Divine magazine of August 1973 under the title "The Whole World is A Theory". He also attributed great meaning to the difference between a word and what the word signified. This is ordinarily considered so obvious as to not need mentioning. He asserted that peoples' understanding was limited, they did not understand that peace, for example, was something far greater than the states people usually associated with the word 'peace'. On this night he spoke a lot about Jesus and recognising Jesus when he came and how people cannot recognise him. Though he didn't explicitly say "I am Jesus" the message was obvious: Jesus was the Perfect Master then, the Perfect Master is always with us, I am the Perfect Master now, ergo … Naturally no speech was complete with mention of cars, planes and tyres. Among other things he said:
- In this world there is no peace, no harmony, no love
- He mentions the favourite song of many premies, "The Lord Of The Universe"
- This Knowledge is spreading so fast in the whole world and now the premies have to get up and start doing something - What has been making it spread so fast if not the premies doing things?
- Nobody thinks about peace until there is a war - In modern times there has always been a significant peace movement and far more pacifists than premies
- There is either light or dark, peace or war. If people cannot practise Knowledge, they will furiously start making bomb laboratories in each and every house
- The Perfect master is always with us. He is God. He was there with them before, and he is with us now.
- Despite attending a Catholic school and studying the Gospel of John the guru only knew one line of the Bible from John 1:1 which he has quoted a gazillion times but in this case he even misquoted it.
- When Jesus Christ came, everybody freaked out and they ended up crucifying him
- The only way to realize Jesus and really understand who Jesus is is to practise this Knowledge because Jesus is this Holy Name or Word.
- Jesus Christ was not crucified and he did not die
PMT 005: Guru Maharaj Ji (aka Prem Rawat) Embassy Hall, Los Angeles, 17th June 1973
(the night after Guru Maharaj Ji returned to the United States)
Introduction: You say you want peace but how can you find peace? Where do we go to look for peace? Fifteen year old Guru Maharaj Ji claims he has a practical way to bring peace to this world through experiencing the peace that lies inside of each and everyone of us. In a recent appearance in Los Angeles, California, Guru Maharaj Ji speaks about a way in which peace can be brought to this world.
Well actually there is nothing to say (laughter) because in this world we have to realize the reality.
The whole world is a theory actually and what is practical is hidden, is the secret and we cannot question, "Why was it secret?" or, "Why was it kept secret?" because it just, it is secret and to understand this reality, to understand what the real thing in the whole existence is, that makes the whole thing exist, we have to first get out of the theory, get out of the darkness and uh when premies have understood Knowledge, when they have realized Knowledge, there is not much to say to them except that they must do meditation. Because it's like to get food and uh what is left? To eat and when we eat it then of course the energy that we have to gain from that food, we get it. We understand it and and this is how this Knowledge will really work because until we don't meditate on it, don't really realize it, then it does no good to us. Because this Knowledge is within even those people who are making aw-awful mischiefs right now in the world. It's within them, also but because they haven't realized it, it does no good to them.
They have to realize it if they want to really get something out of it and in this world, everyone, everybody thinks that, you know, everyone is getting on without, without a aim. You get up in the morning, uh people-I said premies who get up in the morning and do meditation and so on but people, simply just ordinary people, they get up in the morning, maybe they wash their faces, maybe they don't, ride in their car, get to the office, return back to home, start doing somethin' else, watchin' television, sit back and then it comes the weekend, they get up late in the morning, take their cars, take 'em into the countryside. But where are we actually proceeding? Which-what is our aim? Where have we to go? Nobody knows. They just-everyone is moving and it's like those sheep. When they move, and wherever one goes, the whole thing goes and if one falls into the ditch, everyone follows and this is the whole world, because when one thinks, "I can conquer the world," when one thinks someone like Hitler, then everyone cooperates him, more than anyone and then they finally come to a point where they have reached nowhere from where they started they have still entered the same place and they just went round and round and round because this world is round, and so fee-so, so far we will just circling the world, we will come to no point because this world is round.
But to get to one point we have to get out of it, because in this world there is no peace, no harmony, no love. Why not? Because the whole world does not exist. It is the time that's the factor in between. The whole world doesn't exist! Nothing exists.
Because today you are seeing this hall, now you are seeing this hall. After some time, maybe five hundred years, two hundred years, or something like that, maybe this hall will fall down and maybe after a thousand years or two thousand years, there might not be even ruins of it left and maybe after that nobody will be knowing that there was a hall. So there, it, it never existed a time before and now it's existing and then again there will be a time where it not exists. It's the factor of time and time brings in things and takes away things and time, really itself, does not exist because it's always moving. So if you want to realize something, you will have to get out of this world, get outed to the reality and when we are into the reality of the Knowledge, which you'll, of course, understand by meditation, then we can see for ourselves.
Many premies come to me, try to ask me questions but the last thing I tell them in the session is that you ask me questions and you expect that I should answer them. Why? Because I have experienced Knowledge and you think by that experience I can answer your questions. It's the same thing if you also experience the Knowledge, you can answer your own questions that you have but by this experiencing Knowledge within inside of you.
See, when we say 'Knowledge,' it's so limited. When we say 'peace," it's so limited. When we say something, it', it's just very limited. Supposevly (sic) I have seen the Albert Hall, alright? And some of you might have seen the Astrodome, the Houston Astrodome. Now when we go and we chat about a big hall, we say, "I have seen a big hall." Your mind at once strikes to the Houston Astrodome, while mine to the Albert Hall, because I have experienced and that was the biggest hall I ever saw while you have understood and you have it seen for yourself, that the Houston Astrodome is the biggest one. So to our experiences always it strikes and when we take-talk about peace, people say, "I have got peace," because they think that aft-getting a sleep after three days of work is peace. When you are feeling damn hot you switch on the air conditioning and that's peace. You know, this is what we think, someone is standing for a long, long time, and he gets to sit for some. some reason, he thinks that's peace. Because he gets a great relaxation there and that's what he thinks is peace and that's why people come to me and say, "We don't need peace, we have peace." But they don't realize. But they don't understand, that's not peace, peace is something else, peace is something beyond that.
Actually, someone who said 'peace' was wrong, because you cannot experience that thing in words and someone who had experienced peace, couldn't say it in words. This is the problem and whoever said 'peace' he just made it out, you know, he just made a word out of something and set it before you and everyone is using the word and we just, we use it because we have to speak it in English and if we stop, stop speaking to you, then our message cannot be relayed to you. Because God made that system, to speak and to move our tongue, so that we can relate to hearing, so that we can relate to each other by speaking but this experience of peace cannot be spoken. Thus, there cannot be a name to it. Can you name something that you have never seen, never touched, never felt, nothing about it. We don't even know it, we never seen it, nobody told you about it, it doesn't even exist, can you put a name to it? No, you can't, because before you can put a name to it, there has to be a thing and whatever thing it has to be, it has to be comprehendible (sic) by our mind, by our brain and then only we can put a name to it.
Because, if someone walks to a Jumbo, he says, "This is a monstrous plane" and if he is walking in a jungle and he sees a big huge thing coming before him, he would also say, "This is a monster, this is a monster! This is a monstrous thing." So it means the Jumbo is not as, as that monster he saw in the jungle but that's what you are limited to and whenever we see that, we say "It's the monster". So see, this is the point, that world thinks they have peace, world-that's what they have, but that's not it and when you really understand it, you can't speak it, because it's within you and you com-cannot comprehend with the mind. Because you don't know the name of that particular giant you saw, so you just say, "It's a monstrous thing." A simple name, a monstrous thing. You use for a Jumbo, "a monstrous thing" but a Jumbo is not going to hurt you but that monster was but just because of its size you say, "the monstrous thing." Or a giant, a giant bug, a giant elephant, a giant jet. So this is the thing but if we really have to get into something and that has to be peace, it has to be experience of bliss, it has to be of practical realization and that's only possible by meditation.
There are many people who want to do service but before service they have to understand, to whom are they doing the service? Who is it they are doing service? If they don't understand that, they really can't be successful in doing service. Supposevly (sic) I want to work. I want to work for someone and or supposevly (sic) I want to love someone. I don't know the name, I have never seen him, how can I love her? Before I can love someone, I have to see him, I have to get in contact with him, only then I can love. So really, first, before, before you can really get into service, you have to understand to whom you are doing that service and then you can really do the service. Then you will understand and you do the service and there are different type of service, it's not necessary for people they, that they have to do service in a particular way or a particular way, it depends. Some people cannot move into ashram and do a service of twenty-four hours. Not important, not necessary, it doesn't make a difference. They can do service while staying in their houses and now we are coming with the new thing, and that's the DUO (Divine United Organization) because I guess Divine Light Mission was getting very confused with the other things, like Divine Sales and you know, so many, so many things there are, and people were confusing Divine Light Mission with those things when they have nothing to do with Divine Light Mission, of course. Divine Light Mission is a separate thing and Divine Sales is a separate. So we brought up DUO to just take a thread and put it, just make it a garland of Divine Sales and all those things, so it could be a separate thing, doing its function, helping Divine Light Mission together to do prachar. (End of Side A)
Because you see, today, whatever I'm talking is to my experience and I understand that there is going to be peace in the world. But if we wait for it, it's not going to be, because waiting is not the thing. You know? Waiting is just that, that has to happen will happen. But the point is to bring peace in the world but this is the thing, if you want to bring peace and if you sit in the houses, peace is not going to come like that. Because human brains cannot sit at one point, they have to think. And if they try to sit, what they will think? If it is not light, it has to be dark, alright? If they cannot think about Knowledge, they have to think about something that's furious, that they will start opening labs in their houses, and soon you will find a bomb in each and every house, ready to explode.
So we have to come up to a point, and peace is not a factor of time, this is the problem. Otherwise you could have just waited in your houses, and that would have been fine, just fine. But time is not the factor. Peace is right here within inside you. Time comes and goes but peace never comes and goes, peace is always there. People have to just get into them and that's your effort, not the peace's effort to come or the factor of time to come and go because it's within inside you, of you and we have to get into it instead of peace trying to get to you. Because it is within inside you, it has not to come and not to go, it's within inside of you and you have to get into it and realize the reality. Actually, there is nothing I can say much, because all that is left is practical, practical, practical.
You know, the tyres of the airplane, you use them only on the land, not in the air. You can only use them on the land, not on the air. So just like that, we can just use theory, so fear-so far we haven't realized the Knowledge, we are just discussing about the Knowledge. But once we have realized the Knowledge, we have understood it, then we just have to leave it, shut if off, move right into the practical. Because, all we want in this world is practical, anything it has to be, anything it has to be. A catalogue. If someone reads a catalogue to you, it's theory but you want to hear that catalogue because you want to buy that thing which is practical. Why there are so many catalogues? Why there are so many advertisements? Just because so that you can get to the practical point of it. And that's what we-everyone, everyone wants to get to. We buy books that have advertisements of different things in them, and the, the advertisements are theories but to get to the practical, just to get to the practical and everyone needs practical because this is, this is something very strange. People say, "We don't," you know, but they do, they just do and they, they don't know themselves what they are talkin' about, but they do need the real peace and the reality and experience the bliss within inside of them.
So it's, it's just like this that prachar is spreading so fast in the whole world, you know, and now the premies have to get up and start, start doing something. Because it's up, it's to you, it's your nature and you won't be able to help it, you won't be able to because just supposevly (sic) premies, some premies like the song, "The Lord of the Universe," right? And if supposevly (sic) it gets on the radio, what will you do? (Voice in audience: "Sing it!") Sing it, and you will try to increase the volume on the radio. This is a natural thing. I've, I've tried, I've tried to ask many people, why does this happen? If supposevly (sic) your, your favorite song comes on the radio or on the record player or anything, you just try to pull up the volume and nobody knows why this happens, but this happens and once we have really realized this Knowledge, then we have to, we have to tell about this Knowledge to other people, that how far out it is, how blissful it is, how peaceful it is and that we have to get it and then people maybe don't understand. I just gave a television program in England to Thames television and they asked lot of questions and when all the questions are-were finished, he asked me that if I could say anything to the people. So I wanted to and I just said, "yes," and I said that there are many people who will be watching this television program and maybe laughing. Why? Just because they might find some grammatical mistakes or they might find something that is something and something, you know, just to make laugh, to make fun. They sit with their brothers, with their, with people and just try to make fun. These people are like that, you know, they-we just can't help 'em, people are like that but then I said that they will laugh, and when I will talk about peace they will try to laugh but then there will be a day when they have to get peace, they want peace.
Today, you are sitting here and you are not afraid of anything. If there is a gun in this room, or anything, you are not afraid of it but if someone pulls up with a gun, right here, loaded, you are afraid of it. So, what was the difference? See, the gun was in this room and you were not afraid of it. See, but when it got here, you were, because you knew it was pointed at you and if this tigger (sic) pressed, you are going to be the victim of it. So you knew it and that confirmed it by, by putting that gun here. That confirmed that, yes, you are going to be the victim of that gun if it (snaps fingers) and you are going to be dead if it is shot. And that confirmed it. So today nothing confirms, really, and it does, but we don't understand it. But to us it's really nothing is, nothing is confirming that, yes, there is going to be war in the world, there is going to be war in the world. But once it's confirmed, then we say, "Peace peace peace peace, peace, brother, peace." Everyone goes with two fingers up, "Peace, brother, peace." But till then, nobody thinks about peace, nobody. "That's alright, it's all over with, it'll be, it'll be finished." Today Americans are sitting here, fine, they have nothing to worry about and when the sirens start blowing off for air-raid, everyone will be worried, everyone.
So this is, this is the confusion in people's mind but you understand this, that if there can be only darkness or only light, there can't be two things together; they just can't be. If you are standing in a dark room and the next room is full of light and you try to open the door and stand in the middle of both rooms, then automatically the light will enter the dark room and there won't be darkness and there has to be one thing, either light, or darkness, either peace, or war. Right now, because there is not peace in people's mind, a war is taking place. As a matter of fact, there are many societies and there are many clubs who belong to this thing, they, they have guns and they fight guns and they make guns,and they design guns. They want war. There are factories who make pistols and all these things, they want war. But if someone pulls a gun to them, they don't want war, they say, "Peace, brother." See? This is the thing and when, and when this will happen to people, then they will realize.
See, people were waiting for Jesus to come before. Before he came they were waiting for him as anxiously, or more, as we are waiting today. But when he came and he was standing on this, on this place and people were passing by and some said, "Oh, we believe he's the Perfect Master," and said, "No, he can't be Perfect Master." Because you see, so far we say, "Perfect Master is going to come." This is an intellectual thing because we think he isn't here, and he is going to come.
But Perfect Master is always with us. If Perfect Master is God, see, it says, "In the beginning was the Word and the Word was God and the Word was God, and the Word was made flesh." And the flesh was Jesus. And if it was the Word that always had existed, how could Jesus come, and how could Jesus go? He was there with them before, and he is with us now. Why are we waiting for? He, otherwise, he is not Perfect Master, he is not God. He, he cannot do anything to us, or if he does, and if he is perfect, he is with us, now, in our hearts. Because he's the Word. Because it says, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. And the Word was made flesh." And then the flesh was sent here to us. And if Jesus was the, was the Word, then the Word was God. And God is everywhere at all time. He is omnipresent, omnipotent, omniscient, and with us every moment, every second, of our life.
Then how can he come and how can he go? Can anyone explain to me? What we need of him is not the body. We need the Word of him. We need the Knowledge. Because if it was just him then he came, and he was, he was standing before the governor, and governor never got attracted to him. He, he still wanted justice, and he was still looking forward to justice. And still, he was governor, and he had all right to save him, he could protect him, he could say no. But he then again looked at the majority of the people, they said, "No, it's alright, as the people say." He tried to convince people, but.
So see, this is the point, and if Jesus comes today, can anyone tell me in the world what proof they have got that they are going to just test Jesus with? See? They are not going to put him in a test tube and put some chemicals over to see if he's Jesus or not. And still everyone is waiting for Jesus and they say, "When Jesus comes, we will realize." And when Jesus came at that time, he showed miracles, things he did. And if anyone does that even today, what will we say to him? We will say he's Anti-Christ, because he is trying to do exactly what Jesus did. See, this is, this is the thing they are going to say, it's, it's see, we won't be able to help it at that time. That's what happened then because it was predicted Jesus would come there. And people knew he will come. But when he came, they all freaked out. See what happened? They ended up nailing him.
So we ourselves are always confused, you see. And we are waiting for God, but God is in our heart and we have to realize him here, in our heart. He's everywhere. He's omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent; and we have to realize him. So means this is, this is something I want to explain to people, that if you're waiting for Jesus, fine, you have to wait for him. But if you are to realize him, realize him in your heart. Wait for him is something else, realize for him is something else. If you want to realize Jesus, if you want to really understand who Jesus is, which is, of course, not his body but he himself, which is the Word.
We say Jesus was nailed, but Jesus was never nailed. We say Jesus died, but Jesus was never dead and he gave a practical proof to it, practical example to it. Because, you see, this is the thing, when they write a story they say, "and Jesus died." Full stop. Then a comma, then they start, "And then a great thunderstorm started coming in," and this and that. But why don't we understand that Jesus never died? Because if he was dead, how could he come again, back again? But still we repeat the same thing.
See, so this is the biggest example before us that we have never been able to realize because always we try to realize anything to our intellect, which is, of course, limited, limited as one millimeter, or maybe a quadrumillimeter, when we are tr-we are trying to judge something that is infinite, you see? What I mean to say is this. So understand what I really want to tell you because this is going to help you. It's my own experience. It's a fact, you know I'm just, this is a fact and uh fact is fact and if not today, if you don't realize it today, then maybe after four or five months, or days, weeks, years later, you will have to. Because fact is still going to come before you what has come before me. So, do meditation and realize this. Thank you very much.