TVTV: The Lord of The Universe transcript, part II
Satisfaction by the Rolling Stones performed by Bhole Ji and Blue Aquarius - not really a song they should have tried to play
Rennie Davis discusses Bhole Ji (elder brother of Prem Rawat) in an interview in the park:
See, it's sort of like all the music of the 60's and the early 70's is being given back to us you know and you would never expect you know like uh I don't know, at first you think that's really far out, that's pretty good music, not bad group particularly considering the fact that it's only five months old and then you come out and realise it's being organised and conducted by the Lord of Music. Wait until people find out who Bhole Ji is!
Bhole Ji sings a song in English with indecipherable lyrics
This is devotional music.
Reporter: It's much different to the music in India.
Ah yes this creates you know devotional love, it's not just music, this is Celestial Music
Reporter: This is rock and roll (band starts Foxfire)
Peace, Peace now
Peace, Peace now for evermore
Peace, Peace now, Peace, Peace now
Peace, Peace now for everyone
Peace can't wait
Too many years have been filled with hate
We need peace, peace now for everyone
Love, love now, etc, etc
Ladies and gentlemen the thing I would like to tell you first of all before we begin the conference is that there have been many news appearing in newspapers and televisions. To some extent they are true and to some extent they aren't true and uh we would just like to clarify some of these things because the purpose of this mission, the aim of this mission is to establish peace in this earth and we want that we should be helped by all brothers and sisters because if we are humans, if we are real humans, we would very much like that peace should be on this earth. And thus we would like to help somebody who can establish peace. Well, here I am and I can I say I can establish peace in this world.
Security Guard: He's like, you know the Supreme Joker, and everything is his play, this interview, this world, everything is his play.
They serve him occasionally Heinz vegetarian beans on the side, as a side dish and also I tell you the fact that he, he also drinks wine punches every meal.
Q: Guru, are you the Perfect Body?
A: Oh no. (Sustained laughter)
Q: It's hard for some people to understand how you personally can live so luxuriously in your several homes and your Rolls Royce and stuff and why don't you spend that money on feeding people?
A: And that's a really good question and let me tell you this, that life you call luxurious ain't luxurious at all because any other person gets the same life I get, he is going to blow apart in a million pieces in a split of a second.
Security Guard: He drives a minibike right into his mother's bedroom, back out the living room, revs it up, around the living room
I'm trying to accomplish peace in this world. This is what I'm trying to do. Trying to accomplish peace in this world.
Q: Guru what happened to the reporter in Detroit that was badly beaten by your followers?
Slimy Premie organiser: Ma'am could you please direct your questions to here. It's kind of like etiquette to the rest of the members of the press that they also have questions too and there are many people here who would like to ask questions (general hubbub from angry reporters)
Q: Could I have an answer to that question please?
Other Reporter: We have propaganda here from South America. Is this a press conference or propaganda for Divine Light Mission?
Slimy Premie organiser: It's a press conference. If everybody just calls out … Let's direct the questions … Do you have a question ma'am?
I'm asking about the reporter who was badly beaten by some of Guru Maharaj Ji's followers in Detroit after he threw the pie at the guru. What happened to this reporter?
Pat Halley: I'd taken a pizza box and got some used flowers from a funeral home which is you know speaks for itself and took the flowers and made up a corsage covering this pizza box completely, it was completely covered over and we had a hole in the bottom of the pizza box in which we could hide a pie, a paper plate with shaving cream.
Security Guard: Guru Maharaj Ji is bound by America's love so He just comes and plays and you know it's just it's just too much you know much too much. (What does Maharaji do when he plays?) Pushes people in pools, shaving cream …
Pat Halley: We chose shaving cream because we didn't want to like if I got arrested and I figured I'd get arrested I didn't want to have to pay for this guy's suit cause I know he'd be dressed up really slick cause he's Madison Avenue right and he's got all this PR and he's a Jim Dandy guru and so I used shaving cream just to get the point across to embarass him, didn't really want to hurt him or damage him, just to get a laugh, bring him down to street level so I walked up with the flowers to the guru like I was going to give them to him and everybody was all the gurunoids sitting there smiling they were blissed out and I was sitting there smiling with these flowers and the guru came and I walked up to him with adoration and stuff I walked up to him with these flowers, threw the flowers off and revealed this pie and whacko right in the face
Security Guard: Personally, personally, if I was, listen, if I was there I would have slit his throat on the spot (slit his throat?) on the spot (on the spot for throwing a pie?) definitely (you're a dangerous element) this is how I feel (I think that's a fanatic statement - so you'd kill a man for throwing a pie?) on the spot
Reporter: I'm asking about the reporter who was badly beaten by some of Guru Maharaj Ji's followers in Detroit after he threw the pie at the guru. What happened to this reporter?
Slime bag PR premie: Well …
GMJ: And we're gonna find out what happened to … everything … find out present situation
Pat Halley: Suddenly I was hit in the head, smacked right on top of the head (with a blunt instrument) yeah very hard, very hard and like I just like I just fell on the floor and my head was spinning around and I was really like I was really like paralysed and like I could hear I could hear it in my head when they were hitting me, I knew I was damaged like I could hear bone crushing, strange sensation to hear my blood you know splattering on the walls
Reporter for Newsweek: Could I could I please could I please say sir you asked for the cooperation of the press. With all due respect about half of your answers have been very flippant. Don't you think it's time to level with the press, all the way, if you want our cooperation?
GMJ: Why doesn't the press level with me?
Newsweek: We don't have a chance. This is the point, there doesn't seem
GMJ: You see this is
Newsweek: We seem to have a credibility gap
Newsweek: They always will sir
GMJ: Yah. Of course they will. I know that. So there's one point I have to again and again tell 'em that my point is to establish peace into this world. My point is to understand and they press got to understand how am I going to do it.
Newsweek: The questions we asked in very sincere terms were not, they were very flippantly answered, I thought. I'm not upset, I'm just here to do a job. If I was a more religious man I'd be more upset.
… a stern rebuke if you need it and you need it because you're following the devil. (No ma'am I have the Knowledge of God) Knowledge will pass away and you know what comes after Knowledge? Hell! (You will pass away and I will pass away but Knowledge of God) It will, read your Bible ignoramus (I do I do) 1st Corinthians 13:8 no you don't (I do - You don't sound like a Christian to me sister - I understand the Bible) You don't know Christians you're a child of the devil. Go follow Jesus. That man is faking you out. That man (That man is nothing - peace, peace - but the Knowledge of God is) That man is a man and he says he's God, he says he's Christ and he's a liar (Why raise your voice?) Because you need it that's why. Don't talk to me like that.
You have to get excited with people who aren't gonna listen. Those people are hypnotised and half of them are meditation freaks (Doesn't seem the style needed to talk to anybody) You read the Bible and find out what Jesus's style was (Lady I'm just saying, I'm just commenting on the way you're talking to them) Right, okay (You don't talk to anybody that way if you wanna get across your message) Oh yes you do these people you do because otherwise they been trying to trip into their meditation and not hear a word you've been sayin'. Jesus went into the temple and he told the people they were a bunch of hyopcrites and vipers and he told the Pharisees they were nothing but foxes which was the highest insult of the day and he raised their voice to them. You know why? Because they couldn't listen any other way. They were too self egotistical, they were too turned into themselves. These people need to hear the truth and we've got love in our hearts. Do you think we have would be out here if we had a whole bunch of pride if we didn't have love? Do you think we'd be making fools of ourselves? We want to tell these people the truth and the only way they're gonna hear it is if you yell at 'em.
You only have to take a walk down the streets of Calcutta and Bombay to see what the religions of India are like. Bloated bellies in the streets while the mothers are praying to a cow's behind and when somebody comes along saying "Alms for the love of Allah" they throw money at him and that same night he goes into his mansion and rides around in a fancy car but those babies, what do they get? They die in the gutter. A chosen few live in palaces like potentates and all the babies get is bellyaches.
(It says in the Bible that when Christ comes you won't have to have people telling you he's out in the woods or he's in the astrodome. When he comes. What do you think? What do you think?)
Oh I don't have to think, I know.
(What do you know?)
I have Knowledge of Guru Maharaj Ji. I have Guru Maharaj Ji's Knowledge. I don't have to think, I know. I have Guru Maharaj Ji's Knowledge. As regards the Bible, it's not that we object to the Bible or any other book particularly. I've read the Bible many times. Nothing wrong with it, it's a fine book. What I'm saying is, Bibles, badges, leaflets, pamphlets belonging to other religious viewpoints are representative of an attitude and people who have this attitude, have these attitudes will have these sort of paraphernalia that go with the attitude and what we don't want is people coming in here with a fixed, rigid attitude.
Open up your heart to the Universe of Love
And He will fill you up.
Open up your heart to the Universe of Love
And He will fill you up.
The Lord of the Universe
Has come to us this day
The Lord of the Universe
Has come to us this day
Michael: So far I've heard more satsang. I've still have to do like I felt before the test will be the Knowledge and uh I'm going to get that and then I'll then I'll know but I was hoping that I had expectations I don't know that whether whether I should whether I'll just default to my mind or whatever. Ah I was when they say this is the most important event in the history of mankind my my thoughts had all sorts of preconceived ideas that something was going to happen here that would convince people who are skeptical but hey maybe something is here that I should look into like my parents.
There's supposed to be a list that if you're going back in a charter flight you get your name for Knowledge. Ah is there a list? Like the mahatmas collecting a list of people who want Knowledge?
Yes. We just open a desk over there of people who want to receive Knowlwdge. They are signing up and receiving all the information over there.
Over there? Finally I start to do something concrete.
Announcment to Aspirants: People who want Knowledge in in Houston should have heard at least two months of satsang otherwise all the mahatmas that are in America right now are gonna travel all out America completely whitewash this nation and so they'll be going to most of the cities that you probably live in. Like the Knowledge that is going to be happening tomorrow and the next day are primarily for those people who are on charters that have to go back to like Tierra Del Fuego and places like that where there isn't ashrams within hundreds of miles.
Miserable Aspirant: I'm ready to crawl the walls. I have to have Knowledge now. (ha ha) I'm serious. I'm not gonna grab your tie but I'm not coming back at ten tomorrow. I want it now. I want to sign up now.
Attractive Aspirant: Knowledge is something though that you get it when you get it. It happens. It's part of God's plan. When it happens it's perfect. You know you don't decide when you want it The mahatma told me to come after ???. The mahatmas want everybody
Miserable Aspirant: I gave up a place like she did to someone else.
Attractive Aspirant: Everybody goes through that.
Other Aspirant: I went to excuse me the last Knowledge Session I went to, it was in Denver, Mahatma Parlokanand and he said go to the Millenium and you'll receive Knowledge there. I'm here at Millenium to receive Knowledge. I've got to leave tomorrow and I'm not on a flight so does this count count me out, you know, no job now, quite the job, what?
Miserable Aspirant: I don't know how I'm going to get back. I don't have any money. I don't know anything, all I know is I need Knowledge now. I'm not concerned about those things.
Attractive Aspirant: Am I on that list for sure?
Miserable Aspirant: I live with three premies. I have for five months. I hear satsang all the time and I need this Knowledge. I'm so miserable inside that …
Peace Now Montage:
Blissed out Michael: The first thing I want to say especially to my wife is frightened there is absolutely nothing to be frightened of and to my friends who are frightened for me they thought something would happen there was no hypnotism, there is no chance that I was hypnotised.
When he started talking this orange-robed Indian man with a shaved head cam into the room it was like he was like and you just knew "Oh my God, this is it. This is it and to me it was like this is the moment I've been waiting for all my life and you know I wanted whatever he had.
And then he goes around and he asks each one of you "Are you ready to receive the guru?" and you start going through changes, right? Some people said "Aargh. No. I'm leaving now." and they split but each person that split made you a little bit tighter "If I can get away with this" right which was my feeling you know "Don't, don't let me be the one who's cast out." Then he goes around the room and he casts people out.
As soon as somebody's eliminated and you're not eliminated you feel like "Hey, wow, I'm chosen, you know, it's really a heavy feeling you know, the whole club trip. Some people freaked out when he told them they weren't ready. Put them through heavy changes you know people who thought they were ready but that finally gets all over with and he starts giving you the Knowledge.
Michael: I can just tell you that the techniques are so simple and they wouldn't possibly work without Guru Mahraj Ji's ah without his without him making them work and I could see like it would do harm if you just published it it would harm, it would do no good. You would have freedom of information but complete freedom of information is not isn't always good cause it would confuse people, it can confuse people to the point where they turn away from this Knowledge, where they might turn away from something good because they had a little bit of information, right and they might hurt themselves by turning away from something that's good for them because they read because they had a little bit of the information and they weren't satsified and people have become they've been disappointed so frequently in the past.
Ex-premie: The First of the four techniques is the Light and it involves using the middle finger and the thumb, closing your eyes and pressing in and somewhat up on your eyeballs and then putting your forefinger in the middle of your forehead where your "third eye" is supposed to be and focussing your concentration your inner vision on the light, the single point of light that appears at that uh point (mm-mm) that's the technique of the light.
Michael: As journalists I don't think you'll agree with it but complete freedom of information doesn't isn't always the best idea because it can do harm.
The Second Technique is the technique of the Music which involves putting your thumbs in your ears, closing your eyes and holding them closed with the little fingers of each of your hands, joining the rest of your fingers and forming a kind of cap or bonnet over your head and concentrating on the inner sound. That's the, that's the technique that's called the Music.
Ah the Third Technique is the is the Nectar and the Nectar involves rolling your tongue back in your mouth as far as you can past your soft palate and sometimes it's advised you use a couple of fingers because your tongue is not used to going in that direction. The mahatma said that he takes his tongue and he turns it all the way around and loosened up his muscles that for me were tight. Puts his tongue all the way back back of where your mouth turns down, the roof of your mouth then turns down and there's an opening and he goes past that opening with his tongue and the up into the canals that lead to the nose and I suppose the ears too and that is just bliss
The Fourth Technique is the Word, the Unspeakable Name of God and that is basically (inhales loudly, exhales loudly a few times) uh you know very deep even breathing while uh internally concentrating on the sound 'Soham' (sohung) ah which in the Hindu tradition is supposed to accompany the 'so' on the inhalation and the 'hungh on the exhalation and this is supposed to be the sound that is produced by this unspeakable Name of God.
Every morning before you got up, before you got out of bed you were supposed to cover yourself with your sheet and do at least a half an hour on the Word, at least a half an hour on the music and as much of the Light as you could and you were supposed to be doing the Nectar while you were doing all of the other three and you were supposed to do the same thing every evening just before you went to bed so you were doing at least two hours of formal meditation. Throughout the day you were supposed to be doing the informal meditation on the Word.
Right at the moment when the whole thing was over, we'd received Knowledge, then it's over then immediately he switched - the Mahatma - he switched from talking about this Knowledge to talking about Guru Maharaj Ji and didn't he some he made a jump and he said we should all come to India and um and I thought "Wait a minute. Wait a minute. You know he's just made a little jump in logic there. I'm with him all the way and then suddenly I don't understand the connections. I've got this Knowledge and it's terrific but now I should follow Maharaji for the rest of my life and I don't understand why. Why isn't? He said it's this free gift and I've just received this free gift and I say Thank you thank you you know. Do I have to say thank you for the rest of my life?"
When I really, completely freaked out on then is when I got this letter, it said well yes Maharaji is our Lord and Master but He's also a little kid and He's coming to America and He really likes to watch TV and stuff so if you have any appliances you don't need, send them in. Yeah. He He they're starting a centre in New York. Okay? And He was going to live there for when He came to America. They said He's well He's Lord and Master but he's also a little boy in this incarnation and He'd likes appliances you know so any spare ones you have send and I said "Jesus you know that's when I completely freaked out.
Michael: Bolie Shri Satugrudev Maharaj Ki Jai. Thank you Guru Maharaj Ji.
Abbie Hoffman: I I I do wanna say one final thing that if this guy is God, this is the God that the United States of America deserves.