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6/75 - Divine Times

What Can This Knowledge Be?

Prem Rawat aka Guru Maharaj Ji aka Maharaji Guru Maharaj Ji's satsang, Hong Kong, June 1, 1975.

So how many people want to receive Knowledge here? Well, it's really a very small start, but as more and more people understand, you can count on it getting better all the time.

After receiving it, everybody has to understand what this Knowledge is. It's like, if you're going to fly to another country, getting to the airport is not a big deal. You can just take a taxi-cab, say "Airport!" and he'll take you there. And going inside the airport is not difficult, because you just go there, the doors open up, and you're in the airport. But the thing is, you have to find the right airlines, have the right ticket, have the right visa, have the right passport, and from there the whole thing starts up. You have to have everything properly done.

So it wasn't really hard for us to send John Chan here. We just gave him a ticket, said, "Go to Hong Kong," and he was here. Similarly, there are other people here who have received Knowledge and that's really beautiful. But from there on the whole sequence starts, where you have to actually get into it, and really understand that, "Yes, this is it; this is the Knowledge," and to propagate it. Tell people about the Knowledge. Because you see, when we have something beautiful, it's a human reaction to want to talk about it. It's like we are listening to the radio, and a beautiful song comes on. Automatically, we turn it up loud. Even if there is nobody around and we are the only person in the room, or just one person on the roof, and we can hear it anyway at the original volume, it's a nice song and there is something which excites us to turn it up loud. That is the very thing which comes into premies when they understand this Knowledge. They want to take it and tell people about it, and this is what we have to accomplish right around the world.

So if you have understood this Knowledge, you should meditate. And if you have not, try to understand that, "Am I getting the proper thing?" Because this is very, very important for you to understand before you get this Knowledge. This Knowledge is not an apple that you can think, "Maybe I made a mistake and I'll throw it away and get a new one." This is not like that. Once you throw it away, that's it. It's like jumping off the 16th floor and saying, "I can come back up again." Well, it's very, very hard. You have to get every bone patched up in your body, and that is if you live!

It's very, very important that first you understand if this Knowledge is what you want. The understanding of that comes from satsang, which is the company of Truth, which is listening and understanding more and more about Knowledge. But you know, trying to picture this Knowledge is impossible. Saying, "What can this Knowledge be?" is totally impossible. Never in your mind can you picture something like this, for this thing is totally infinite and our mind is totally finite. There is a certain limit to which we can think with our mind, and after that it stops; it can't go any further.

It's like, you get to the 17th part of this building, which might be a roof, but from there you can't go to anything that is 18th because there is nothing there. If this was the Empire State Building, you could have gone to the 17th and kept on going, but that also stops at one point. The mind can only picture something which is very, very, limited, but this Knowledge is not limited. Therefore, for us to try to picture this Knowledge, which is not limited, is very, very hard. And not only hard, it is impossible, totally impossible.

Yet, we have to understand, "Is this what I want?" and to determine that it is, so that when we get it, we are ready to receive it. Of course, if we just throw the seed, it will grow somewhere, but then what is all this struggle with land? Why do we have to cultivate it, give it the proper manure, give it the proper water, the whole treatment? It's because when that seed is thrown in, it should grow properly. It should grow and give as much as it takes. That is why it is very important that you should be ready to receive this Knowledge before you take it. Understand that this is what you want. You can get to a certain point where you can say, "Yes, I want peace."

This is so beautiful, because when many people listen to satsang, some of them really understand that this is not the apple pie they have been looking for. Like, we can hang a big poster outside the satsang hall, saying, "What you want you can get here." A person who wants an apple pie walks into the hall and he is waiting for somebody to come along with an apple pie to give him. But when he listens to satsang, he says, "This is not what I want." This is what satsang brings forth, "Is this what you want? Is this the Knowledge you are looking for?" Because to some people, all they want is some beads or to chant. Well, that's a different story and that involves a lot more explanation, because they're into their heads. They say, "Well, that might be the way to liberation." But of course, it's not.

In order to finally understand Knowledge, you have to cultivate yourself: "Is this what I want?" And you have to cultivate differently for sugar cane than for rice and differently again for wheat. But when you understand that, "Yes, this is what I want," then you say, "Yes, I want Knowledge."

So I want you to make that decision.

And people who have received Knowledge already, do more and more meditation in order to grow stronger and stronger. Because it is your duty to be able to tell other people about the Knowledge, and to help them understand what this Knowledge is. It is your duty to tell people that, "Yes, there is a Knowledge; you have been looking for something like this and here it is; come and receive it. It is available now and it is very beautiful."

This is how we do it. And this is how it is now possible for me to be sitting in Hong Kong giving you satsang. This is exactly how it was possible for John Chan to receive Knowledge, and for any of you who have received Knowledge to receive Knowledge. Right now, I could have been sitting in India and never been to the West, but just propagating this Knowledge in

India. But that's not it. Other people learned it, other people understood it, other people received it and from those people it was multiplied, and multiplied, and multiplied to the point where it has come that there are premies all over the place. So understand, and try to meditate.

You know, there is nothing more left to say. Here it is. You want it? You can get it. You've got it? Then meditate, and tell other people about it. Just try to become stronger. Sometimes when I say that, people confuse it with power. This is not power, this is getting stronger - stronger to be able to support the craziness of this world, the confusion of this world.

I can really understand that you people know exactly what I mean living in Hong Kong! There's so much going on. So many materialistic ideas have materialised in Hong Kong. It's as if you walked into a town and said, "Well, it would be nice to have an electronic train system here, and this and this, or that and that." Here, all the ideas I've just thought about, all the ideas of the world, have materialised. Knowledge really stands out like a sore thumb in this place. It's really strong; it's different. So you people can really understand it.

Prem Rawat aka Guru Maharaj Ji aka Maharaji Does anybody have any questions?

Can you give me Knowledge?

Sure, everybody can have Knowledge, that's the whole point. There will be a mahatma coming round pretty soon. We'll schedule a mahatma to come here.

Can you personally give me Knowledge?

There are two questions to that. Can I personally give Knowledge? Yes, I can personally give Knowledge. Will I personally give Knowledge? No. Because, you see, if I am a salesman, at that point it is my duty to sell things. Slowly and slowly and slowly and slowly, I develop myself to be the proprietor of the shop, and then slowly and slowly I become the owner. Then not just the owner, but actually the person who manufactures the whole thing, the items that are sold in the shop. If at that point I turn around and go back to sell the items, I am going to be busy selling, not manufacturing, not getting it all prepared to be manufactured, not being able to do the whole thing which it involves. But this is a very popular question. People usually ask, "Can you give us Knowledge?" And I say, "Well, I don't have the time to, because I have a lot of other things to do on up the line, and I have to prepare a few things so that more and more people can receive Knowledge." And so they say, "Why won't you give us Knowledge personally?" The answer to that is, "Do you want Knowledge, or do you want me? Do you want me to sit there four hours in front of you, or do you want Knowledge?" (cries of "both") If you want Knowledge, then you can have it. If you want me to sit in front of you for four hours, then wait 'till I have that time!"

Should we still use posters and leaflets? In the United States, sometimes they have stopped using them.

It's irrelevant Just get the message across, however it takes - by loudspeakers, take them and put them on a car, or posters, pamphlets, leaflets …

Guru Maharaj Ji, this sister and I went someplace to start the Mission. We went there as brother and sister, but we freaked out, and then we got married and it really blew our minds. We didn't really know what was going on at all, and we were smoking cigarettes, we got stoned, and did all kinds of crazy things. But we both feel that we went there with a mission, we went there to do something, and it's been a pretty rocky six months, but …

It's gonna be more rocky if that's what you do there. Somebody goes and buys a car and sits on top of it, that's not the way to do it. When you come for a certain purpose, you have to sacrifice something. If you don't sacrifice, then … You see, this is the whole problem in the world. This is why so many people don't want to come to Knowledge, because in order for everything to be made equal, a little bit of everything has to be sacrificed.

It's like, in order for there to be day, night has to be sacrificed. Or like a person who goes out and wants to camp. Well, it is his pleasure, but for that pleasure he has to sacrifice a little bit of pleasure, which is staying at his home. Always you have to sacrifice something. When you went there with a mission, this is what you were supposed to do. Just consider yourself lucky that you got away with only that. It could have been as rocky as rocky as rocks.

There's not much to say except that maybe you should have understood that your mind is overcoming you. That's the thing. When water starts coming in the boat, what does it mean? Get out! Get out of that boat! Split the scene, for sure. Try to find some other boat.

So that's the thing. When mind starts doing like that, you split. Say, "Yes, that means something's wrong, and it should be stopped." That's what you should have done at that time.

Take Hong Kong, for instance. Every premie will have to sacrifice right now a little bit of his time, of his money, of his body, of everything to be able to go out and do a little bit more propagation. Then after a little while, everything can become so beautiful, because there will be a lot of premies and they'll be able to do a lot of things. You know, Hong Kong has a lot of potential and the premies are really beautiful.

The people really have potential. But if you are not going to utilize that potential, you're just going to be like nothing. You'll have to try harder and harder every time, because if I'm going to send a mahatma here, then you'll have to make sure that the maximum amount of people come to hear satsang and receive Knowledge. What is the purpose if only you people come to hear satsang and a mahatma comes? Maybe one or two or a few of you haven't received Knowledge and so you will be able to receive it. But maybe that won't really bring you anywhere. You have to go out and really start doing meditation, really telling people about this Knowledge, and bringing it up to the point where people will really see that, yes, this is something.

You have some time now when you can say to people, "Do you want this Knowledge? Make up your mind. Mahatma so-and-so is coming at this time, and if you have made up your mind, come and listen to satsang more and more. Then you can have it." But if you are just going to sit down, and when a mahatma comes, you people just go to the airport, bring him back to the ashram, say, "Here's your bed, and there's your food," and that's the end of it, that's going to be a waste of his time. In that time he could have maybe given Knowledge to fifty, sixty people. And now those fifty or sixty people will also lose their opportunity to receive Knowledge.

So why do that when there is a possibility that you people can sacrifice a little, do something very, very beautiful, and that's what should be done. Especially the premies who speak the language here, they should really go out and propagate. And the premies who can speak English, they can go to the English speaking people and give them satsang. Because this Knowledge is really fine, it's really very, very beautiful.

And don't get so complicated that you don't even know what you're talking about. What's the use of that? Like going into scriptures, or going into this and that. It's a lot of concepts. Scriptures have been written by one person to another person, and it's a lot of concepts. That's why the little excerpts from the Bible are so different from what you hear about. Now, because of what a person has been brought up like, he has been told to look forward to that concept and to accept it. And so he does. But that doesn't change it from concept to reality. It's still a concept. When they talk about water, why doesn't your thirst go away? When they talk about food, why doesn't your hunger go away? Because you are just reading about it.

What this Knowledge is is really, really practical. So when you have such a tool, why not use that tool? Just talk to people straight about this Knowledge. They are looking for something, they are trying to understand, they are searching. What does it mean if you put a little ant in a glass and the ant tries to go up, but falls down? It goes up and it falls down. What does it mean? It clearly means that the ant wants to get out of the glass. But it can't. So if somebody can help that ant, that's good. Just tell them straight like that, so they'll understand that everybody is trying to come up, come up, come up, come up.

I mean, if this world was satisfied, if this world was just fine, just the way it is supposed to be, then there would not have been as many inventions in this world as there are today. They are doing all these things, making more progress and more progress and more progress, because they are not satisfied. First a camera was made. It was a big box with glass in front and a guy put his whole head inside it, watched, and took the picture. But people were not satisfied by this.

It's like, they're constantly, constantly, constantly looking for something. That itself is proven. But the trouble is that the whole world clings to that progress, saying, "Oh, that's really far out. That's really beautiful." They don't understand that, sure, there are certain advantages that can put us into some convenience, but it's very, very physical. It's got nothing to do with your spiritual life. It's like going to the dry cleaners, taking your shirt off, giving it to them, and saying, "Dry clean this." That doesn't mean that you will get washed along with it. That doesn't mean if you're dirty, you will also become clean. You went into the dry cleaners; that's fine. And you took off your shirt; that's OK. But your shirt will get cleaned, not you. This is what people have to understand.

When people understand, they say, "Yes, whatever I am trying to do is totally physical, coming to what I can see, what I can perceive, or what I can conceive, but not to who I am, or what I am, or what I'm supposed to be." Then it clicks. They remember that, "There is something I left a long, long time ago. There were two roads in the beginning, there was a fight inside of me, and there was something telling me that this is the wrong direction." All of a sudden, they click and they turn round and come back. Then they take the right path.

Our duty is to take and put up signs all over the road, "Wrong way! Wrong way! Do not enter!" Because somebody, somehow, is finally going to read the signs. They are going to understand that this is one way and they should not come this way, they should turn around and go the right way.

This is what our duty is. This is our job. You have to go out and tell people about it. We have received Knowledge and we know what it involves. It was not a pingpong ball which we threw on the table and it bounced off. So if we know what it involved, then we should also understand that that's also involved in that other person's life. What happens to a person when he first listens to satsang is that at one point it's pain, it's torture. There's so much going on inside of his mind. There's so much going on inside of him. It's torture.

We have to understand that what we went through, that person also has to go through. So make him ready for it. Make a person understand, "Listen, this is good for you. This will help you. This is not to interrupt what your business is. This is not to interrupt what you want to do, but to make you what you should be."